become conscious say 's one um form n't like sort facile typologies done people like stace zayn yeah 's think 's waste time really begin explore phenomenological cognitive scientific level texture experience becoming real life experience inactively transformative mystical experience phrase important stress much going forward life compel one real also indicative real experience yeah um n't answer question intuition 's multi-varied complex 's elements one another maybe sort space converge may sort n't like game better worse ultimate lesser mis 's 's 's great game uh 's done 's 's agenda promote one sort thing try avoid 's 's 's 's 's fascinating question 's gesturing towards answer thank n't pay enough attention n't take enough care around potential side effect intended trying create simplistic reductionist taxonomy trying get something else know 's work 'm well work 've already done also emerged dialogue right know theory understanding one distinctions knowledge understanding knowledge evidence justifies claims knowledge ability grasp significance apply problems know problems broadly control distinction 's sort emerged se


parately uh within philosophy science psychology uh explanation understanding 're converging together um one one criticisms 've made theory cognitive scientific theory wisdom n't proper theory understanding within 've trying think understanding know one great privileges get try ideas students give feedback um one things like make distinction also made independently monica delta psychologist making use psychological work john keeks distinction calls uh descriptive interpretive knowledge 's basically description knowledge understanding ask people general know wisdom knowledge understanding almost universally say understanding lot understanding knowledge yes think know stuff 've argued elsewhere enhancement capacity relevance realization etc 've talked proposed idea said like know original meaning proposition propose right propose idea 're talking understanding talk know grasping significance within particular kind knowing like know understand acts grasp know implications proposition 's standard definition way understanding um know talk know really understand skill transfer new situation important martial arts take dojo onto street really get really get right see 's kind understanding within kind knowing said n't case


ndependently 's great evidence 's least beginnings anecdotal evidence right know deepest kind understanding manifold understanding people willing seem pretty universal saying 's kind understanding wise person 'm trying get argument n't trying n't want try reduce anything like 'm trying get right okay 'll weaken question think critique valid um could least cognitive dimension mystical experience insight powerful insight strong manifold kind multi-dimensional unity kinds knowing brings profound kind understanding would deeply transformative individuals 's 's 's hypothesis want put forward gave chance revise made good critique 's 's 'm 'm trying inc get inkling towards yeah yeah 's 's 's really 's really really 's like pinpointed question want begin saying um based something said 's correlation idea also emerges jewish tradition strongly 's strong correlation necessary correlation wisdom humility yeah yeah want humility say thinking space epistemology even writ lodge thinking much um religious metaphysical want want begin saying 'm 's pleasure engage thinking 'm 'm 'm like punching beyond weight space fun good humidity hope 'm discourteous n't n't want n't want put kind disadvantage 's 's 's 's 's great 's gre


throughout surrounding divided left right center um masculine feminine integration um 's also top middle bottom right um bottom expression speech middle um f feeling internally processed emotions top three uh cognitive intellectual motion literally brain divine know god mind god man god world um first three surat counting quetta sort beyond threat um know terms 're familiar discuss data particularly series um give give sort one hour class give two second definition um recommend want learn audience 're else interested please check uh one word inside 's flash inspiration 's 're walking darkness forest see nothing lightning comes second everything illuminated right second 's yod 's 's 's literally point 's small infinitesimal uh bina hey 's expansion 's feminine 's 's womb 's begin take seed give limbs give shape give dimension analyze 's analysis 's 's 's 's ability think past future n't exist flash 's dot assume know audience listening dot integration two yeah channeling 's embodiment 's 's moving emotions 's feel tishkis anthropomorphically put neck 's 's also bottleneck things stay mind n't get body heart n't pass oh 's interesting yeah 're


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h fully ontological know say cognitive oncological like n't know keep like pushing 's 's much 's 's 's 's trouble anywhere 'm going say word 've already sort co-opted like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah 's kishkas individual everything perfect 's beautiful 's yeah 's 's could well 's good mean touched last time yes get sense although uh 're responsive answer found answer still insufficient 're still rubbing 'll recapitulate said maybe way trying get 's like helping refine want said like say cognition 'm talking cognition 'm talking computation brain 'm talking like full body involved participatory knowing way 're enacting embedded world right uh know acknowledge deeply embodied deeply embedded 's deep continuity cognition biology argued explicitly yeah 'm taught 'm talking manifold 'm talking 'm talking something 's going like know 's going link uh know 's going leak downward towards know biological principles running individual cells upward outward upward know ligaments sinews world view 're getting sort fundamental prince patterns intelligibility 's 's 'm talking want want say um sorry 'm trying box 'm trying make clear uh 'm saying think talk reciprocal opening 's 's co-created


gnitive experience way 're using cognition yes okay think ultimate well sorry 'll careful think cognition ultimately connectedness uh seeking kind optimality think n't explicitly argue argument higher states consciousness n't moment connectedness connectedness per se reach optimal state people get variations continuum flow state moments core cognitive get couple reality way okay guess 'm going keep trying work familiarize language way 're using words point feel like 's sort semantic linguistic blockage coming could could maybe welcome 'd great 's great friends realize 're actually disagreement um could also friendly disagreement could point maybe hm n't know might putting words mouth apologize ahead time um think 's experience requires cognitive agent like moment point would n't exist without sentient cognitive agents agree 100 percent okay okay yes okay okay let 's 's funny actually bit personal morning woke staying bed thinking day kind like thinking looking forward end day 's night outside looking forward talking thinking running head conversation one enjoyably thought let try sort um take embody john 's form


enhanced flowy experiences 've get tai chi right definitely get tai chi right 's 'm trying say every mystical experience like 'm saying mystical experience kind meta optimal grip 's optimal grip optimal gripping n't one 's requiring serp know know tremendous amount metabolical metabolic effort anything like right 's sense n't know using words rather gestures love way love use gestures much non-verbal 'm first time like thank first time 'm actually beginning get sense texture 're describing 's beginning resonate know uh mysticism right experience literature helpful described insight moment thank well 're welcome fair started prose cognitive continuum much quantitative difference work dan know rovers mars came realization 's something within flow 's carried necessarily flow experience per se said get mystical experiences superflow taoist practices afford um taoism religion flow many ways right also acknowledge n't think 's necessary feature necessary feature meta optimal gripping typically use might appreciate given morning experience use metaphor taking stance martial art okay 'm actually moving take stance 'm absolutely still point 's useless thing 's n't fight right stance 's meta-optimal g


rip 'm getting place think think like possibility space 's moves need make 's place puts sort optimally equally distant 's mean meta-optimal grip 's analogy think 's maybe 's coincidence 's analogy 's actually state stillness yes yes um murder somehow 's merger stillness motion coexist space curiosity formulating continuum hypothesis done conjunction hood 's work uh form continuum mean part suey generous convergence argument found newberg newberg something enlightenment changes brain um uh think fear 'm misquoting forget second author book actually proposes cognitive continuum person using sort foil contrast already proposed published 2018 continuum fluency insight flow starting experimental work mystical experience also seeing evidence insight machinery fundamentally work yeah yeah mean 'd curious personally know sort 're another time end 're mean theorists trying sort explain thing cognitively scientifically people like um arthur dankman would know things 'd curious know thoughts general find experiments really really great want um mean 're hoster 'll 'll bring things end 'll allow wrote question least want put um think 's important one hopeful


theoria impact constrain ontology uh 's still maybe want 's fine yeah one thing want say notion intelligibility understanding think think core neoplatonism comes understanding presupposes reality ultimately one understanding right originally interstanding turned understanding 's related sub-stance word play understanding always 's bunch things 's unity 's bunch 's unity unities 's scientists without realizing seeking grand unifying theory right 's presupposition reality comports right think neoplatonism 's argument understanding use understanding cognitive act intelligibility property world 're co-determining think polar elements within shared phenomena right understanding intelligibility pre uh presupposes monism william james way 's 'd disagreement james james thought 've always 've always found problematic james think spinozy gives pounding arguments right like two things 've got third thing explains relation etc unifying thing ultimate argue think 's classic neoplatonic insight 'm going give qualified thing 's still going satisfy hope feel 's least moving uh like 're getting movement right mystical experience gives kind understanding talking earlier understanding presupposes kind monism connection mysticism driving understanding metaphysics supports understanding


ally reflective appraisal appreciation mystic mysticism mystical absolutely sort best cutting-edge cognitive science yes think 's conversation needs happening right agree agree agree uh 'm honored partaking well 're going talk soon friend thank


matter well okay let 's say 've established 've already made reference 've made plausible real thing real normative standard called plausibility plausibility goes work 'm currently work 've done leo farrar past work 'm currently book 'm writing son uh jason braviki uh let give uh basic idea want try show judgment instances judgments made even within sort hard-nosed scientific journal articles okay um 'm going trying give credit idea comes wrestler see also current um work cognitive psychology cognitive uh cognitive science idea uh convergence idea uh many independent lines evidence argument converge conclusion conclusion want use wrestler 's words think 's perfect conclusion becomes trustworthy think 's right word let explain abstract 'll give concrete example make clear matter channel 're 've given arguments last time right channel going subject bias distortion chances different independent channels share bias reduced precisely number channels bring independent convergence confidence significantly reduced chance conclusion construct produced bias let give example goes little kids even small children prefer information multi-sensor multi-central like come multiple senses rather singular like get philosophical criticism judge real something see something see touch something


ero detail 'm trying get tv whole 'm going gestalty want throw object actually care 's three-dimensional deep like really flat flimsy right 's well 's optimal gripping 're time 're cognitively 's walk street um unless 're like particular expert particular expert context 'll point animal say 's dog eleanor ross rather saying 's cocker spaniel north america 's mammal go sit 's called basic level gives us best trade-offs right way 's like things way 's different things detail gestalt 're time trying optimally grip time okay yeah finding balance specificity generality also know read tweet 're looking object degree 're perceiving 'm perceiving glasses right could looking 's trade-off relationship 'm looking 'm looking 'm looking ca n't looking look pattern look pattern n't answer goes back relevance realization machinery want trustworthiness comes construct fitting relevance realization machinery 's trying things okay yes good okay kind things want well generally goes another phenomena people talk science elegance think scientists actually care lot elegance simplicity even though occam 's razor invoked time personal money 's almost always pair simplicity


etween thinkers space really really fun thank much uh schlep dialogue oh welcome 'm glad hear 're finding home think belong uh 're uh enlivening community uh much presence thank um 'll review 're wo n't review three episodes like 'll enough would take us episode want uh 've uh last uh zevi basically asked present argument mean contentious terms whether 's true means basically argument rationality mystical experience especially particular kind mystical experience 'm interested called higher states consciousness tend bring transform deep transformative uh uh experience within individuals transform identities lives say standpoint cognitive science um uh want reiterate want 's cardinal science says enter dialogue people kinds traditions say mystical experience 'm trying monopolize discourse around think say enriching feed back sort two moves needed made got first sort set second review quickly first 's account needs descriptively adequate need give account uh first 've got make sure get phenomenological description higher states consciousness said last time 'll repeat 'm claiming mystical experiences higher states consciousness 'm talking particular kind mystical experience


say instead think reality ultimately temporal 's like okay mean like would change think many things approach many problems 'm going need lot right know know sagan sort invoked people get wrong trying invoke extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence 's trying say 's balancing process okay yeah saying sagan terms claim people invoke claim 's 's claim comes formal logic mathematics carl sagan made claim extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence means 'm going 'm going pause something tremendous elegance 's extraordinary 's going cause reformulate solve many problems think many domains 'm going need n't need quantity 'm going need lot convergent evidence make construct 'm using trustworthy 's saying logically epistemically socially 's making claim 'm making claim 'm making claim epistemically 's claim uh 's basically cognitive claim uh think elegance risk-taking 're elegance 're committing limited attentional cognitive resources right framing world 'm going relevance realization 're committing 're caring world particular way means 're taking great 's risk 's always risk 're commit forward want seen milgram puts way forward commitments backward commitments 'm risking forward right want trustworthy thing mitigate risk yeah


remember gave sort cognitive continuum um thesis um daniel greg done work people well people converged hypothesis basic argument know 's empirical evidence mystical experience part higher states consciousness something like uh well profound insight 's insight insight basic level processing talked sort meta optimal gripping uh 're getting flow state remember made distinction hot cool flow 're like cool flow state sort met primordial skill meta optimally gripping getting getting optimal grip capacity take specific optimal grips world systemically systematically much like child goes 're going developmental stage made argument last time 've got um mystical experiences enhancement insight capacity argument n't quite make 's also part flow work leo ferraro erin bennett flow experience also enhancement implicit learning want little bit argument explicitly right 's okay yes idea 's lot plausible evidence capable implicit learning pick patterns complex patterns could n't ca n't hold working memory nevertheless pick track lot empiric experimental evidence decades well replicated um know 's even starting pervade general sort public awareness 're 're 're lot implicit pattern detection hogarth wrote really important book called educating intuition


know quite bit empirical evidence uh psychological cognitive scientific theory know predictive people transforming lives 'm interested overlaps concern wisdom main concern mystical experience overlap cultivation wisdom 'm claiming exhaustive 'm claiming 's important higher states consciousness first 's phenomenological description would descriptive atticus would could explain phenomena right phenomenological characteristics terms well understood cognitive processes made argument around things like insight flow decentering things like basically made zebby uh know excellent um know uh skeptical also supportive interlocutor wonderful dance uh well think exemplary 'm 'm going take uh case descriptive adequacy made plausible um want move uh prescript prescriptive adequacy prescriptive adequacy say yes 's genuinely case experiences occur explain occur different thing 's 's descriptive adequacy prescriptive adequacy yet yeah people pursue 's different thing justifiable pursue something would rationally recommend another human 's prescriptive adequacy want make argument um actually make good prescriptive case people want qualify later right context right way etc right boldly people pursue uh seeking kinds experiences uh 'll allow gesture towards friend 'm gon na prescribe people seekers


'm glad 'm glad hope 'm hoping 's case talked fact know 's fundamental ah aspect experience diminishment self normally perceived negatively experiences 's perceived positively right propose idea machinery self exacted well right instead 's called glue cognition perception memory use glue world um together better potentially intuit implicitly learn insightful manner deeper patterns reality otherwise inaccessible us notice 've given 've given lots convergence meta optimal grip state right 's proposal construct 's highly elegant terms 's improving capacity cognitive agent 's balance 's profound justification plausibility becomes profound 's lots convergence 's tremendous elegance 's tremendous optimal gripping 've made highly plausible means 's profound means 's profound improvement cognitive agency justification ever give claiming something rational improvement cognitive agency 's 's 's beautiful one one objection come mind 're refer experience experience 're calling experience higher state consciousness affords uh real radical transformation um transformative higher states consciousness might objection 're selecting one narrow form uh might fall umbrella mystical experience um therefore therefore playing might fallacy spoke earlier making good case one thing switching broadening right right


done um assumption uh assumption proposition might think think might sort claim towards unity nonduality subject object knowing known however 's going phase mean metaphysically might put full-blown monism sort even needing go far think better question would participants think done contemporaneously historically thing realize god thing realize relationship thing put money would oh felt really warm felt reminded felt really unified thing felt really um present presence embraced um would think would said none um 's 's 's 's 's would counter argument using using probabilistic argument metaphysical claim towards entity deity simply texture qualia relationship bets think evidence points 's 's towards unitive agree um um trying point towards know propositions ultimately intelligibility 's right yes um notice historical argument convergent structural argument cognitive scientific argument already flow states people talking one minute 've given case 's fluff ephemeral points real improvement real picking real patterns reality know think um think 's right think um guess disagree think real questions uh think real debates theis


es real david lloyd makes case well buddha include buddhists implosion subject subject object distinction either implode outwards sorry explode outwards employed inwards self self developing non duality uh makes really great case think think 'm trying make particulars claim one proposition uh towards one specific interpretive know religious things inevitable think look beneath surface um look tree beyond differences seen great good could make 've made recommendation think 's good 's recommendation 'm going make basis recommendations ultimately 're 're mean john hicks 're facing finite ambiguous data 're making judgments similarity dissimilarity nelson goodman like showed 's algorithm 's ultimately based well relevant thing relevant thing two objects logic logically indefinitely large like similar definitely large dissimilar would want say okay 're 're pointing universals right would say use independent historical convergence argument traditional way 's done aldous huxley perennialism right say 's another way looking universals science cognitive science come right argument 've run argument 've run constrain kind similarities 're looking historical record n't find oh happens almost mystics men ah 's something male well tha


's ridiculous 's 's irrelevant similarity right look relevant similarities 'm saying 're 'm 'm 'm trying dismiss 'm saying need justify 're picking similarity relevant important say well lines another way look universals science descriptive discovery universals also comes prescriptive argument improves people 's cognition universal manner 's 'm actually recommending yeah yeah think think think 're agreement 'm 'm trying make uh exclusive claim way reach think think 's uh 's many think important part think discounting metaphysics proposition simply 's incongru incongruity um would would reason discount everything else think think needs part rest con congress agree 'm claiming agree 's intersection cognitive scientific argument uh cross-historical argument cross-contextual argument tells well 's connection point think 's 'm trying justify zeroing intelligibility intelligibility one minute zeroing 's important similarity well leap sort historical question begging saying look one minute intelligibility given completely independent explanation uh c cognitive scientific framework 's uh mean know awakening media crisis 'm always trying get intersection historical arguments structural argumen


ntially rational non-inferential way go acquisition rationality right think saying like mystic give us inferential content significant degree 's ineffable right terms know profound ways instead making worrying thing makes us say oh 's probably rational 's way saying 've got independent argument 's really affording transformation way 's rationally justifiable say 's good thing points kind proleptic rationality actually needed undergo transformation yeah kind rationality use justify transformation inferential argumentative rationality 's proleptic aspirational rationality yeah yeah hear 's saying get appreciate wonder mean think think may employed sort ancient analogy gnosis yes knowing propositional um appreciate appreciate desire distance propositional day age 've become overly propositioned yeah little bit tongue-in-cheek expression um well reason wan na wan na sort wan na response kind knee-jerk reaction well 's know n't offer arguments point experience therefore 's rational 's like 've misunderstood 've given taking place outside propositional know work look tight arguments l.a paul agnes callard jerry fodor even came computational cognitive science right right ca n't think neural networks throwing noise overcome overfitting 's non-inferential non-proposition use


e four-year-old something like um typically um right pretty pretty universal fact thing remember n't evolve nature related impersonal order evolved nature actually filled minds predators prey potentially human beings right nature capacity mean people even extended within cognitive science overly reductive account religion religion hyper active agency detector machine wherever 's ambiguous information project agent 's get god um well think plausibly work factor trying reduce religion think really overly reductive nevertheless idea nature think socialized significant enough degree powerfully like expose us perspectives 's want add minds perspectives human think 's one ways debbie paused recording couple seconds um oh technology god limps um um making argument uh nature precisely puts us know plethora minds many non-human actually tremendous capacity uh decenter us also put us flow state kinds things um internalize way um strikes plausible um 's probably going need basic training meta-perspectival ability 're going need way grocking natural environment 's internalizable rather sort chaotic know minds sort like ecology basically 's got something ecologizes world 's internalizable think could make good case incorporated '


ilosophy cognitive science mysticism say respectively say together disagree 's incredibly rich encountered zevi long ago 's 's funny extended conversation feel like 've 've got know somewhat intimate connection met long met basically met yesterday well person virtually person shortly seen uh brilliant video highly recommend recommended time brilliant video whether spinoza mystic laid carefully careful five-point argument exegetical logically presented fashion reasonable plausible 's right efficient position also agree independent arguments thought well done um highly recommend check uh work 's spinoza 'm intending make way um commented brilliant reached said watched um uh awakening meeting crisis thought start talking uh um think 'd good right zebby took sort uh center stage even though 's stage um uh know talk little bit well channel uh autobiography uh alluded connections maybe open bit 're coming um main projects goals youtube channel uh seekers unity uh um think 's channel higher prominence 'm gon na turn firstly thank much john 's really real pleasure sit talk connect 's 's mean 's 're really fascinating space 're trying find community find conversation find relation find intimacy screens


epest wisdom one traditions possessed painstakingly cultivated millennia silent introspection reflection dialogue internally although scant moments history moments contact passing ideas 'm also studying quite avidly less things done internally really grand scale first time historically 's open marketplace ideas facilitated things like internet technologies question going utilize technologies enslave worst angels nature use steven pinker 's term 're going allow use moment find unified narrative guide us personal lives interpersonal dealings relationship world around us perhaps something deeper beyond whatever want use language ontological reality west gets capital g yeah um think relationships crude think think lot work 'm talking long interject think lot work okay good think lot work meeting crisis really looking contemporary issue related way mean think think john 'm going give away age think think started teaching newborn yes [ Laughter ] yeah 's right n't n't mean give away age either see n't mean non-disclosure sides really n't um um tremendous amount wisdom knowledge expertise bring field scientific realm really home cognitive science feel way um n't want say comparable equivalent intimacy tradition jewish


'll come back mean um came realization um know sounds fairly shocking like sort grew narrative sort mystical experiences expressed understood discovered 's similarity um uh uh know um religions philosophical traditions get sense much epistemic shock like kind existential shock like sense identity called question um like cause rift community mean n't want trespass confidentialities 'm trying get sense understand understanding understanding experiences uh 're talking even something like political beliefs agree think put us wrong level put us wrong framework um 's slogan stealing culture um agree um think kind things 're talking 've talking talked last time foundational even political level like ontological existential know worldview cognitive cultural grammar level would would would hypothesize people 's empirical evidence support disrupted 's know 're angry frustrated know even passionately like see know ideological conflicts 's 's um well 's uh know sort guardian point uh come precipice despair get kind epistemic shock uh seems uh know portend indicate depth happening level 's happening case um like guess uh n't want spill guts anything like much


maybe traditions religion judaism raised religiously like orthodox ultra orthodox life like 's 's 's like 's life 's judaism yes yes life um really happens n't think one independence cognitive capacity really question least early adolescence um 's 's bad thing 'm saying negative pejorative way great childhood grow traditions culture calendar know life cycle events 's really beautiful beautiful tradition uh still heavily partake 'm speaking 'm know ex happens think one judaism bar mitzvah 13 males uh 12 females 's 's another like infusion religious fervor excitement 're like bar mitzvah high like 're mitzvah jewish ritual commandments begin account points like practice 're really riding high particularly within hasidic community begin get language torture jewish mysticism begin practice prayer form religious experience worship least aspirationally 's 's strong period happens many happened independence cognitive abilities began kick began self-reflect turn back mind turn back practice like one second putting feeling keeping question community 's parents told think think 's natural period think never never people period really go full swing


em 'll maybe wait till 'm feel ready discovering comparative form mysticism finding least point know got critical reading cats reading whole school scholarship finding assumed universal truth pointed something could really believe something many ways beautiful felt tradition core tradition right um way vivifying inspiring way n't need reject anyone else process universality lot people go comparative religion destroys faith opposite faith already destroyed discovering comparative element right mysticism allowed rebuild faith rationally think 's good logical argumentation mysticism 've developed case discussed last time little two-hour uh segment justin sledge 's great phd philosophy channel um esoterica um 've really gone nuts bolts debate think physically 's good case make make well um scientifically cognitive psychologically others making 's great case think 's really good case made aesthetically 's real beauty 's real 's real poetic justice resonance speaking justice think 's also real ethical uh vision emerges think really incomparable power beauty 's three legs really began rebuild faith humanity new conception divine letting go old conception divine embrace new one may difficul


modern problematic need need see 's people deeply influential cognitive science like hillary putnam arguing breakdown packed value distinction uh know hume used cleave apart uh know truth goodness things like um 'm interested movie 'm going bring socrates discussion uh brings something oh want ask question interject point yeah um think part part problem mysticism three deeply interconnected woven attempt try articulate express present mysticism um way 's compelling persuasive 'm trying channel 's difficult pass things separate language 's think think points fact deeply interconnected independent one um think need present mysticism way real possibility really rigorous thinking person 21st century think one reasons someone like harry mass approaching 's still stigma mysticism 're really lacking 's n't even consensus definition term yeah yeah upcoming series want work want defining mysticism like definitions given great scholars let 's put five categories let 's see like faults strengths let 's see terms evolved ecologically historically um semantically 's category 's way thought badly need repair um think part challenge points value think 's 's good well said um


nately language subordinate uh higher uh course uh 're 're 's sort proposition reality therefore inherently hierarchical uh see like see know classic reading platinus emanation right 's uh 's emanation way 's platinus thought bottom level evil far much less matter evil platinus think problematic way um 's one thing might come um say well way non-logically identical 're hierarchy 's one answer given would 'm trying sort present problematic way think 's lot problems around um idea think 've probably heard argue think ontology think emerging within cognitive science discourse science large simultaneously emergence way emanation way place right differentiate um try radical imminence suchness things radical transcendence moreness things transcending categories hands um 's one thing uh one way granted let 's say put aside gnosticism uh one way people tried interpret non-logical identities hierarchically another one think seems also want present problematize 've talked lot 've talked 've dialogue people several times paul vander clay mary cohen people people say well know practice non-logical identity practice personal identity right look picture two-year-old go 's logical categorical identity narrative personal persons within


ust different ways understood deconstructed whatnot within jewish mystical tradition speak three three modes divine world relation great chain first one simple one 're saying 's 's emanation called mali 's 's light light much soothing persian 's almost really light 's 's uh essence energy flow life force whatever chi light far term count used light emanates divine uh metaphor um comes reality comes straight row goes back chain 's 's 's 's known literally 's 's straight light um 's 's one way 's sort means psychologically cognitively simple bottom god top continuum ascend jacob 's ladder next way 's 's also seen masculine 's phallic right oh right n't thought right right yeah yes next wave next way speak divine divine world interaction seen catalyst feminine 's circular uh means 's uh womb vaginal sense soviet 's 's divine surrounds um 's 's 's 's 's 's um typically described much actually penetrate world influences around creates cyclical arrangement means means top bottom become really points extremity along circle along along linear line 's things get extensively uh elaborated tablets describe really cosmogeny theology 's actually


f disassociation othering literally moves made people absolutely contact blows mind think 's logical necessity leads form questioning um yeah n't think anyone 's gon na uh sort ridicule ideas 's think 's fifth phd 's number n't know know know n't know know two two mentioned discussion uh 's 's always amazing see see sort entirely different unrelated fields conceptually historically exact preciseness nuance exact debates emerge points come keep pointing back like fundamental really logical whole structure mean brings another point um see things like note thank uh resonating um 's three responses although maybe 're one response different aspects one part cognitive scientist says wow whenever find something like like kind universals 're looking 're looking guts cognition 're looking fundamentals intelligibility 's another part uh especially 'm 4e cognitive scientist says yeah cognition n't head intelligibility real relationship cognition world must something world 's also fundamental must something fundamental way world cognition fit together 've trying articulate terms terms think convergent 've arguing one things 'm taking away um call divine call sacred sacred um n't think 's much hangs difference 's personal reasons divine tends connote p


ersonalities particular way right find sacred neutral term um basic claim know sacredness realness interdefining profound way think think 's fair say tried argue something similar awakening meeting crisis arguments going um know sacredness way getting coming relationship depth reality things like um tried map um something n't n't want sound promotional n't think least autobiographically true n't seen done much elsewhere 've seen seeds idea sense realness n't come single channel experience sense realness conviction beliefs sense realness power skills become one time another taken know proper name sacred right um uh 's also presence uh within prospective knowing ultimately sort fittedness belongingness uh togetherness participatory knowing although theoretically analytically cognitive want even want say cognitive existential phenomenology interwoven uh together um think 've got culture made us think everything reducible exists propositional 'm saying sense realness seems well maybe better metaphor 's multi-dimensional 's multi-dimensional 're pointing realness 're pointing found found uniquely conviction right power presence fittedness um reason phenomenological experiences existentialists particularly helpful realness uh realness undermined one


channels 's nevertheless profound um uh example presence know uh vr virtual reality research varies independent similar various similitude right realistic virtual world people n't feel 's real n't get sense presence uh 's important perspectival uh course get kinds weird derealizations uh know pathological participatory lost um uh know people think loved ones actually replaced robots um even though everything nothing else changed factually 's sense fittedness gets damaged brain 'll leave 's symptoms syndromes arm right like n't arm right looks exactly like arm move 's arm 's um course less pathological although necessarily less dangerous versions loneliness right culture shock um 's see sense realness disappearing participatory level perspectival level procedural level course know feel inept um think something like although conflated even like social awkwardness get right fee feel disempowered futile one ways making people feel existence becoming unreal 're procedurally inept actions futile course level know conviction coherence know right things n't hang together well people also undermining sense realness cognitive dissonances fascinating evidence sorry long thing 'm trying say right think agreement sacredness realness multi-dimensionality realness something 'm trying unpack terms


phenomenology functionality 'm wondering 'm sorry mostly metaphorical pose question mystical experience like something know space-time continuum four-dimensionalities realness disclosed person know 'm trying get uh though although analysis even experience know dimensions come apart fundamental fundamentally right n't make sense reality separate realities anything like right yes sorry clumsy 'm procedurally inept 'm trying get like 'm trying get 'm trying move cognitive science 'm trying reduce cognitive science okay clear 'm trying get like would mean cognitively like see different different call four ways knowing analytically experientially get pulled apart also see 's phenomenological functional continuum 'm wondering mystical experience might disclosure way 's independent arguments higher states consciousness 's question 's forming mind right yeah see 're gesturing towards questions 'll try gesture towards answer 's completely fair 's completely fair let 's let 's begin think think firstly question real important question um potentially important question um answer give individuals civilizations determining um everything flows um think things mentioned place historically know echoes things someone like hegel rational real someone like aristotle whether active