fascinating challenge whether create community relationships like great question 's anything 's proven past two days definitely possible definitely possibility least one-to-one basis feel already quite close think part theory love 's mutual reciprocal self-disclosure yeah share story intimate personal story really touching resonated deeply um let 's let 's let 's respond tone story different everyone 's story n't beautifully different yet fundamentally sometimes similar way grew hasidic community parents sent emissaries bhava toraba sydney australia way brooklyn grew something like insider outsider living within kasiri community living within broader australian community outsider know jewish young young child young adult jew ways perpetual outsider historically yeah hasidic orthodox jew even within jewish community 're 's another level outsiders right lot lot sense um perhaps like existential isolation um something n't necessarily cognize understand consciously time child retrospectively could see took part shaped identity really watershed moment mentioned briefly first conversation discovering ideas general sort ideas let 's say monotheism ethics judaism teaches shared traditions kind facadel things although know important certainly found really blew mind 15 16


like deepest secrets jewish tradition like hasidic wisdom kabbalistic secrets esoteric metaphysics taught selective exclusive way many texts still n't know taught public n't translated barely understood people outside community strange uh chance occurrence novel reading mentions initially christian mysticism became acquainted christian mysticism strong neoplatonic influence later came understand shared historical influence shared philosophical language shared metaphysics grounding traditions um time discovering commonality metaphysical level raw indisputably really knocked socks one got interested eastern thought um first know huxley watts uh terence mckenna seriously academically focus focus shifted really western mysticism tradition emerges plato abrahamic faiths beyond trying real quest think since protracted way different themes different sailing throughout time long time theme death rebirth immortality strong theme another time associated theme theosis hypnosis apotheosis individual right applied different forms different traditions different different points picked salience sort trying stitch together sailing ideas across different traditions think 's kind evolved 's think 's still growing 'm still quite young 's still part excitement idea 's heading really looking deepest de


epest wisdom one traditions possessed painstakingly cultivated millennia silent introspection reflection dialogue internally although scant moments history moments contact passing ideas 'm also studying quite avidly less things done internally really grand scale first time historically 's open marketplace ideas facilitated things like internet technologies question going utilize technologies enslave worst angels nature use steven pinker 's term 're going allow use moment find unified narrative guide us personal lives interpersonal dealings relationship world around us perhaps something deeper beyond whatever want use language ontological reality west gets capital g yeah um think relationships crude think think lot work 'm talking long interject think lot work okay good think lot work meeting crisis really looking contemporary issue related way mean think think john 'm going give away age think think started teaching newborn yes [ Laughter ] yeah 's right n't n't mean give away age either see n't mean non-disclosure sides really n't um um tremendous amount wisdom knowledge expertise bring field scientific realm really home cognitive science feel way um n't want say comparable equivalent intimacy tradition jewish


sticism began learn original tongue original text age 13 um beginning memorizing things heart really trying really try understand things deeply philosophically um think think capacity ideas lead life life goodness bliss inner peace silence harmony love one another instead jealousy one another think think 's rich important unmissable think think unique contribution may bring hasidic voice bring jewish voice jewish mysticism get history often neglected comparative academic study mysticism general specific reasons related gersh charms characterization union mystica lack thereof jewish mysticism whatever historical reasons 's real need bring perennialist jewish voice back conversation use word tentatively carefully discussed last time um 's 's really see work primarily focused think particularly mean started n't know want mention really try stay away politics think politics fundamentally divisive n't anything good humanity um mean 'm living region filled much hatred much animosity absolutely heartbreaking think way forward change hatred somehow somehow move place love lot work specifically focusing sufi relationship historical conceptual sufism jewish mysticism many areas like think might um might enough introduction um maybe one two points wanted mention


'll come back mean um came realization um know sounds fairly shocking like sort grew narrative sort mystical experiences expressed understood discovered 's similarity um uh uh know um religions philosophical traditions get sense much epistemic shock like kind existential shock like sense identity called question um like cause rift community mean n't want trespass confidentialities 'm trying get sense understand understanding understanding experiences uh 're talking even something like political beliefs agree think put us wrong level put us wrong framework um 's slogan stealing culture um agree um think kind things 're talking 've talking talked last time foundational even political level like ontological existential know worldview cognitive cultural grammar level would would would hypothesize people 's empirical evidence support disrupted 's know 're angry frustrated know even passionately like see know ideological conflicts 's 's um well 's uh know sort guardian point uh come precipice despair get kind epistemic shock uh seems uh know portend indicate depth happening level 's happening case um like guess uh n't want spill guts anything like much


get sense aspirational quality even title channel right 'm trying piece two existential moments together little bit yeah yeah 's 's really 's really fascinating question hear therapeutic side coming really going receiving end well um pose question lot care uh tenderness well needed need think back moment firstly n't happen overnight way 'm narrativizing 'm telling 20 seconds sounds quick really sort germinated period years probably decade full um left intro left study um let 's let 's frame like growing grow religiously religiously know fundamentalist christian home 're given choice would like religious would like something religious religion would like practice yeah yeah exactly good reason mean mean families raising children want pass month believe going best chance child live life happiness fulfillment therefore give believe truth um uh tremendous infinite love respect parents parenting could asked better childhood thank god end days high heaven um understand parents two incredible people inspiring people life know child grows religiously 's 's n't particularly n't know 's like internally inside another religion christianity may different 's sort become pervasive culturally something like judaism assume islam


maybe traditions religion judaism raised religiously like orthodox ultra orthodox life like 's 's 's like 's life 's judaism yes yes life um really happens n't think one independence cognitive capacity really question least early adolescence um 's 's bad thing 'm saying negative pejorative way great childhood grow traditions culture calendar know life cycle events 's really beautiful beautiful tradition uh still heavily partake 'm speaking 'm know ex happens think one judaism bar mitzvah 13 males uh 12 females 's 's another like infusion religious fervor excitement 're like bar mitzvah high like 're mitzvah jewish ritual commandments begin account points like practice 're really riding high particularly within hasidic community begin get language torture jewish mysticism begin practice prayer form religious experience worship least aspirationally 's 's strong period happens many happened independence cognitive abilities began kick began self-reflect turn back mind turn back practice like one second putting feeling keeping question community 's parents told think think 's natural period think never never people period really go full swing


bellion really go break everything go know dye hair pink get tattoo uh happens never always well-mannered always like well-risk like respecting child began internally went began go questioning began look ways could could make practice meaningful beautifully enough actually encouraged within city community take religion personalize 's taught way first place turning consciously try try make sense things scholastic argumentative maimonidean um ergo aristotelian side things even even engaging listening sort christian apologists trying really going like teleological ontological cosmological fine-tuning arguments like really need rationally make sense thing really firmly believe um guess 's also disposition want want try understand grasp things rationally project talking anyone private project really failing yeah discovering um know kantian critiques kind knowledge complexities terms like like essence existence n't really get medieval philosophy sort brunt modern philosophy project became less less tenable right um n't would say internal loss faith kind keeping facade externally keeping practice belonging community friendship circles internally crumbling really anything blow two things happened simultaneously one 'm liberty speak one th


em 'll maybe wait till 'm feel ready discovering comparative form mysticism finding least point know got critical reading cats reading whole school scholarship finding assumed universal truth pointed something could really believe something many ways beautiful felt tradition core tradition right um way vivifying inspiring way n't need reject anyone else process universality lot people go comparative religion destroys faith opposite faith already destroyed discovering comparative element right mysticism allowed rebuild faith rationally think 's good logical argumentation mysticism 've developed case discussed last time little two-hour uh segment justin sledge 's great phd philosophy channel um esoterica um 've really gone nuts bolts debate think physically 's good case make make well um scientifically cognitive psychologically others making 's great case think 's really good case made aesthetically 's real beauty 's real 's real poetic justice resonance speaking justice think 's also real ethical uh vision emerges think really incomparable power beauty 's three legs really began rebuild faith humanity new conception divine letting go old conception divine embrace new one may difficul


thing religious person divine definition important profound highest concept definitionally allowing death god discover god beyond god phrase 're um using terrifying experience um 're definitely think definitely death rebirth n't want make sound 've discovered 've made 'm top mountain lord like everyone else 's journey 's beautiful journey maybe answers question little think great um like way uh invoke true good beautiful fact uh uh sort separately revivified get sense also potential integration reunification revivified like like could mean people experiences true becomes important beautiful good perhaps even three sounds like n't three like like almost neoplatonic right three different aspects thing fair fair description yeah think 's actually accurately beautifully put think perhaps earlier journey transitioning trying find truth may truth factor salient think journey progressed matured 's definitely become fact three things separate began discuss last summer think metaphysic ethnic epistemology mysticism one um 's 's performative beauty theory think think may fruitfully disagree think actually propositional value emerges truth emerges bare bones fu


relationship independent variable dependent variable problem experiment 's always called potential confounds right might alternative explanation effect different proposed independent variable 's called controlling confounds structure experiment rule uh alternative explanations n't results inherently confounded means 're deeply ambiguous derive clear um uh uh conclusion well problem well 's problem alternative explanations number right like 're trying see uh know like know water dissolve 's water salt dissolve water well course go somebody says n't go pour salt 're pouring spray salt plastic n't dissolve go aha salt dissolve water go mean n't mean salt ha recently covered uh plastic go okay go 're put flash freeze salt stays surface say haha n't dissolve water say n't mean salt frozen water mean room temperature water 're going pour salt pour another chemical prevents salt dissolving go aha oh mean pure water 're pure water see goes right problem brought long time ago hempel japanese published number possible counterfactuals indefinitely large n't rule right ca n't ones control well control ones strike us reasonable make good sense taken seriously pay attent


ndamental unity things fundamental oneness reality includes 's 's performatively beautiful includes internal structuring system ethic metaphysic truth beauty good one well think think 's demonstrated beautifully uh aspects mystic system yeah 'm thinking uh hammermaster 's response problem modernity um arguing know modernity separate separate spheres autonomous normativities turned disastrous need function kind tightly integrated manner 've set system justification argumentation prohibits see sort wrestling way bridge uh part part n't think 's succeed part 's trying universal pragmatics try go performative criteria ethical criteria uh would uh also bear upon know propositional statements etc um think think 're least 're enough recognition least problem separation three normativities um uh although n't led general n't remember seeing know habermas recently considering religion uh n't know mysticism per se discussed much potential uh field could come answers mean theoretical argumentative answers could stitch normativities back together something wanted talk um awakening meeting crisis ca n't talk everything uh 'm hoping talk little bit socrates suprem see plato fact ultimate true good also one right 's basically yes um um want bring int


modern problematic need need see 's people deeply influential cognitive science like hillary putnam arguing breakdown packed value distinction uh know hume used cleave apart uh know truth goodness things like um 'm interested movie 'm going bring socrates discussion uh brings something oh want ask question interject point yeah um think part part problem mysticism three deeply interconnected woven attempt try articulate express present mysticism um way 's compelling persuasive 'm trying channel 's difficult pass things separate language 's think think points fact deeply interconnected independent one um think need present mysticism way real possibility really rigorous thinking person 21st century think one reasons someone like harry mass approaching 's still stigma mysticism 're really lacking 's n't even consensus definition term yeah yeah upcoming series want work want defining mysticism like definitions given great scholars let 's put five categories let 's see like faults strengths let 's see terms evolved ecologically historically um semantically 's category 's way thought badly need repair um think part challenge points value think 's 's good well said um


touched upon bit uh maybe come back today know uh anti-normativity seems beyond good evil 's epistemic truth um somehow grounds kinds knowing uh want talk uh maybe 's actually related question want ask um uh take spirit kindness uh 's 's offered uh 's 's trying draw uh argument um know made implicitly 'm gon na make um explicitly 'm planning third series socrates god beyond god going title um many people fact could make argument even exegetically 'll make sort theoretically many people argued core mysticism experience non-duality um n't like word experience 'm going use word try make prevalent meaning crisis realization non-duality 's yeah think 's better way putting much better yeah okay 's realization non-duality um would argue n't think 'd alone argument n't think 'd represent consensus either n't think 'm like voice crying wilderness anything like think um many people see 's deep connection uh uh non-dualism non-theism position transcends usual dichotomy uh atheism theism seem bound set propositions presuppositions perhaps stronger think transcended think least retrospectively critical shared presuppositions core spirituality belief belief puts us relationship supreme super thing um uh uh primarily looking know evidence decide undecidable debate theism atheism know


go detail 'm giving gist idea think 's five six uh presuppositions see 'm impressed 'm impressed mystics often turning language clearly explicitly non-theistic plato 's good right platinus one uh eckhart 's godhead right uh spinoza 's got nature mean 's hard make theistic argument fact 's one interest think 's one telling things spinoza people yell confidently 's atheist 's theist pantheist technique right um think make strong place 's clearly um something non-duality experience tends retrospectively tied non-theism seen transcending theism atheism debate 'm particularly interested think might relevant um something alluded already way addressing culture wars deep way um think could potentially intellectually satisfying point people ways life realizations could genuinely transform 're compassionately disposed towards 's know think convergent um know argument john hicks makes interpretation religion fifth dimension says best interpretation make perennial nature theism atheism debate universe sense spiritually ambiguous question provides think 's great meta argument provides enough evidence without enough evidence determine debate either argues basically kind non-theism says really real relate personally equally relate impersonally course means uh know 's basically thinking transpersonal 's also


deep connection 's third point conversion uh convergence sorry um 've got sort would say mystical pointer 've got sort hixian type argument meta argument 've got argument basically saying well 're getting rise um know clinical therapeutic domain know category transpersonal seems supersede 's intended supersede personal impersonal also seems underlying least aristotelian grammar theism atheism debate 'm wondering think bit trying keep brief um 'm telling well want 'm precluding either 'm demanding even requesting give like final definition god sacred want know yeah open resonance respond land proposal seems know across cultures across religions across different historical periods deep connections non-duality non-theism yeah well 's 's uh 's huge question 's like 's like million dollar question think 's important question approached carefully thankfully um oh sorry hope n't come trying exhaustive complete trying gestural 'm trying give backgrounds feel exactly toy 're gesturing um um mean helps explicate question get another parallel universe could stopped five seconds said know exactly 're 're saying 're 're getting think comes god god language language humans use refer uh ultimate reality 's 's stupid trivial discussion


important discussion yeah 's 's 's stupid 's 's level interaction discussion people want hear uh want hear category want throw atheist boss theist box ds book yeah 's 's 's something stupid think someone like 'd rather give titles 're coming chat challenged 're coming learn 're coming box people 's enough boxing world think open labels open terms see might refer references might imply reality see think real question say say nature divine nate characterize think 're really asking nature reality yeah see reality yeah yeah 's 's important question metaphysical ontological um convictions reality defines way go ahead live lives make decisions category non-theism really really fantastic one think um may actually heard use first way use think 's 's spot-on precise um n't heard used much else real shame fact mystics um either non-duality unity point something non-theistic blatantly clear mean mean fact open perhaps people less familiar history literature mysticism mysticism um west 's tradition known prophetic theology literally non-saying opposite character try make positive statements w


e say god god god good idea um 's great book anyone 's interested michael sells language 'm saying really explodes excellent excellent really brilliant um idea whatever conception god god like like basic premise god got us beyond conceptions whatever thing problem word three-letter english word god one person means something ineffable sublime demanding perpetual existential challenge behavior another person simply means sort patriarchal monarchical object um somewhere saturn gon na likes one flavor pizza n't like end punishes one person know picks wins loses wars going roast people eternity n't believe exactly way 're 's real tragedy pulpacy language yes 're trying describe two things could diametrically opposed one another theoretical think reason category like non-theism important one really says whole debate pointless one 's really missing point think know rustling teapot objects either ca n't come disproven 've missed point entirely get like yeah 's theoretical want move personal yeah yeah personal side one one biggest struggles alluded um sharing precisely idea god theism raised god bible god


rabbinic literature judaism god finding miss jewish mystics mystics world seemed irreconcilable question literally gnawed soul kept nights end question um wherever whenever met wise person felt like might insight uh rabbi pastor teacher grandmother would question would post sat recorded conversations 've hundreds subscribations one day 'll something god willing um 's question drove drove crazy like like new god 've discovered beyond non-theistic seems sublime beautiful compelling challenging old god know childhood god yeah still n't know 've reconciled issue 'm two minds um part part believes um part believes first initially thought completely eradicate god get rid became like militant non-theist non-theists maybe maturity moments softness 'm realizing maybe space one 's life moments um toughness one relate personified god um 's god mother father cry um 's complex discussion hindu theology specific point relationship two um representations god ishvara brahman yeah 's book rudolph otto called mysticism east west compares arishankar maestro eckhart compares god deutsch uh theo god dave dustin godhead ishmael brahman really point comes po


int 's like obvious brahman ainsoft one real deal rest childish yeah leave grandmothers 's 's 's actually real place divine personification understand mosque god ultimate um 's room incorporate complex theology belt shine n't clear answer question neither uh 's wonder n't want interrupt pick wish uh see one one n't know think give one second think cup somewhere instead drinking bottle like hole okay 'll little dignified see see uh new age movement think conic 's book uh yeah know uh nauseous forget title something like narcissism new age movement um shows lot sort new age ideas right various movies popular media know uh know rehashing representing representing uh gnosticism know narcissism religion 's 's like fundamentalism 's style religiosity 's heterogeneous like fundamentalism um want understood nevertheless mean know think apt description young christian current apologists colleague uh john peterson arguing think 's properly described seemed self-describe gnostic uh young seem argue 's default spirituality human beings 'm quite sure think hans jonas better 's sort existential mytho-poetic response existential entrapment 've talked talks 've given gnosis point 'm trying make okay book ons proven properly set u


p caveat 'm going say nevertheless could say could say one temptations think immediately occur people get even inkling 'll call narrative god mystical godhead right theistic non-theistic presentations temptation gnosticism gives ready answer well know thing well evil power principality quote saint paul right demiurge right th plenum plenum right plenum void reason seems nasty hostile jealous bloodthirsty 's right etc etc know see culture increasingly uh giving language sounds gnostic 's 's think key piece evidence support claim jules evans calls con spirituality uh idea grand conspiracies conspiracies conspiracies somehow running world right cabals course kind thinking almo terrific mean original sense word history bloodshed genocide attached sort like know believing talk dolphins dangerous uh 'm saying gnostics like 'm saying 'm saying seems emerge one temptations maybe 's word 'm looking encountering dichotomy least fact seems prima facie irreconcilable temptation uh gnosticism n't 'm thing gnosis temptation narcissism 's temptation dangerous kind con spirituality uh becoming pervasive 's seeping cultural political domain like 's know 's 've probably heard research republicans democrats afraid


ion 's control plausibility judgments 're running experiment okay 're done data okay data 're going interpret data interpret data 's derive implications data many implications derive set propositions oh guess 's combinatorially explosive well one derive well 're going derive ones make sense reasonable stand good reason right right know taken seriously think people pay attention notice 'm showing scientific experimentation right rely plausibility judgments first make sense case yeah makes sense potential infinity limited resources commentary explosive need making judgments along way keep things running normal fashion think could could expand second difference two uses plausibility terms plausibility probably probabilistic 's 's good metric yeah let put way came discussion 've done leo ferraro probability estimation find truth mean probability use plausibility mean probability 're saying probability twice mean 's estimation 'll find truth 's another meaning plausibility take seriously pay attention 's estimation expect find probability plausibility best way estimating 're going turn evidence give us clarity probability use probability right fallible nature science make know make estimations truth found yes


foreign enemies bizarre place democracy get mean 's democracy least verge cultural civil war political civil war wonder confronted temptation know talk uh narcissism 've seen couple video titles least um oh like response n't think connection know addressed topic least part question make sense question yeah yeah yeah yes think think question deeply resonated like beginning right um agnosticism something fascinated 've done work um jung specifically series looking jung 's relationship jewish mysticism uh textually historically conceptually um um harold bloom 's work sort poetic expression narcissism inspiring dame francis hates work narcissism medicine things definitely um time sit maturate brain um n't firstly 're posing challenge threat real one right 'll enemy think think sort expand little think 'll agree tell tell divine represents reality realm divine inhabits say plenum godhead demiurge 're saying 's evil entity know god hebrew testament think saying go hebrew bible um evil 're saying world crew creation demiurge entire 's two world mythology speak world fallen corrupt broken shattered even mean even even platinus even though 's '


anti-gnostic many senses see even talk matter probation right um right corrects think proclass corrects yeah think 's definitely case yes think think started earlier speak god 're 're never speaking god 're speaking entire entire strata reality 's representing like furicate two realities say one bad one good um leads leads fragmented consciousness psyche um think think jung well aware think problem 'm sort compounding problem 'll get think maybe personal response 's good point 'm agreeing 's good point mean yeah okay good think think well mentioned terms american political scene think split reality happens happens sort vertical introduce horizontal 's us evil demonic demolition light uh think think think happens horizontally happens vertically vice versa agree agree agree necessarily um danger huge maybe answer question think personal journey may sort um upset beca relationship god particularly 's personal god right god children given 're upset 're upset personally um may personal upset towards towards character concept narrative um never never really tempted go gnostic route demonizing always question abandon salvage work need eradicated


question wanted say actually part previous answer 's actually relevant think part conjecture think think part genius jewish mystical tradition addition passion looking universality mysticism also really want know tradition genius particular tradition yeah yeah degree impacts 's question important beautiful question universality right uh two strengthen one another turn genius jewish mysticism break mysticism experience theory practice want 'm asking geniuses practice something many spoken 've spoken integrates um know spiritual mundane material everyday separate 'm 'm say realm theory think genius jewish theory many names god uh jewish tradition catholics adopt two prime names god tetragrammaton ineffable uh uk k said high priest holy holy state year uh jews say um people think know pronounce pronouncing 've know romanized uh latinized word 's god tetragrammaton transcendence um god elokim god um manifest dwelling 's 's sometimes 's 's masculine feminine um process invoked um kabbalists really two strong categories relationship uh 's pronounced hawaiia say word uh


shame literally name um hawaiian alicum complex relationship kabbalists go great lengths work first establish two names mean 're different character constitution think speak speak havayah may 're speaking 're speaking non-theistic god speak ali kim speaking 's referred kabbalah sabbath one cr creates act genesis one god bible gnostics refer demiurge uh literally 's demiurge builder creator yeah yeah like 's plato 's evil figure plato anybody kabbalists say something radical spending tremendous amounts time effort establish independence difference character uniqueness two characters say come say based real affirmation faith jews undisputed every affirmation faith really n't go well jewish history um shema israel hashem list know israel 12 tribes say dying father whose name israel 's taken mean israel people israel children israel shema israel hashem eloquent listener israel uh translated english lord god lord one 're saying hawaii god non-theistic god god one god god god eloquent god personal god god creates demolitical mystic must fundamentally unite two things must become one work kabbalist create unifications reunify often 's described erotically sexually reunify two sides divine every action


hat jew functioning within kabbalistic system 're working create union 's 's 's kabbalistic um incantation blessing said make um certain communities religious practice shame uh merit reuniting um divine masculine shrina divine divine feminine indwells havayah kim reunite letters god make complete name think notion sorry becoming bit long technical please please think theoretical notion need recognize two different modalities two different relationships way relate god non-theistic god demiurge creator one interacts theist um things separate um things somehow fundamentally one uh perhaps paradoxical way n't know 'm n't know 'm articulating clearly enough think capitalists trying get 's fair conclude 's also position sort identifying 's 's position 's position honest 'm 'm wanting believe read capitalistic system people disagree say 's campus 're 're trying reincorporate something extend larger implications think divine means world divine well say two 're saying well 's heaven earth one another also must must also unified um nirvana sasara think think 's challenge statem


ent um battle cry mystic um think means also horizontally longer longer perceive must incorporated unified divine oneness um yes 's powerful provocative answer um 'm 'm right working way 've 've 've worked way thomas chief 's work 've talked thomas 'm sort along way 'm 'm working way corban um corban 's notion angel um um n't want trespass area talks talks obviously within uh persian religiosity islam way 's also talking zoroastrianism et cetera et cetera uh talks idea uh uh know angel imaginal aspect um uh uh know better make mistake jump wo n't offended 'm thinking things like know talks know even hebrew bible 's know angel lord angel death somehow like action god 's also something god bears responsibility like well well god right right talks fact guess best way 've tried talk n't know helpful 's non-logical identity uh going brings something interesting 's two things come question ongoing discussion know jonathan pajot around um uh invoke kevin earth lot takes position see least strands neoplatonism seeing hierarchical right right relationship uh godhead god hierarchical one lower sense subordi


nately language subordinate uh higher uh course uh 're 're 's sort proposition reality therefore inherently hierarchical uh see like see know classic reading platinus emanation right 's uh 's emanation way 's platinus thought bottom level evil far much less matter evil platinus think problematic way um 's one thing might come um say well way non-logically identical 're hierarchy 's one answer given would 'm trying sort present problematic way think 's lot problems around um idea think 've probably heard argue think ontology think emerging within cognitive science discourse science large simultaneously emergence way emanation way place right differentiate um try radical imminence suchness things radical transcendence moreness things transcending categories hands um 's one thing uh one way granted let 's say put aside gnosticism uh one way people tried interpret non-logical identities hierarchically another one think seems also want present problematize 've talked lot 've talked 've dialogue people several times paul vander clay mary cohen people people say well know practice non-logical identity practice personal identity right look picture two-year-old go 's logical categorical identity narrative personal persons within


narrative make argument ultimately folds back personal narrative fundamental 's place get non-logical identity make sense us get hierarchy two often put together get get personal narratives within hierarchy seems sorry bit long setup seems 've trying say seems developmentally deal logos precedes makes possible um narrative right mysticism right want call dialogue dear logos 's something takes us beyond narrative subverts narrative precisely enter mystical version non-logical identity inherently hierarchical yes inherently non-narrative yeah long way guess want include want get discussion sort meta discussion 'm around ontology right right 'm 'm glad pose question um really logical follow-up saw discussed um really share metaphysics mystical tradition know intimately jewish mysticism advantage bit know philosophical comparative uh literacy well um firstly 's 's question framing reality 're posing question 's 's 's ubiquitous mystical traditions certain perspective true say god x um perspective would ludicrous say god x would true based level reality 're 're framing things think uh conditional truth difficult thing logical system everyday speech even


's 's one point speaking speaking directly metaphysical point 're referring uh arthur loved refers great chain yeah book launches entire field um history ideas called great shame taken thinkers less academic ken wilbur made big deal yeah um 'm trying advocate particular thing notion notion almost every single mystical tradition um sort hierarchy try try explain experienced fundamental unity multiplicity reality try reconcile two 're 're incompatible must come sort great human point problem chains beings capitalists spend pages almost anything else must however however bigger changes 's always intermediary level right must point 've gone eliminator emanation right yeah catalyst happen ketter happen essence qatar happen upper essence qatar like never-ending debate um attempted answer 's 's neoplatonism 's 's alienosis 's sufism 's christmas system 's everywhere um eastern system well structures reality um however within metaphysics jewish mysticism traditions language 's 's three modes um hierarchy supposed okay perspectives seen um 's important makes um non non-essential non-non-exclusive becomes remember 's 's finger pointing moon 's moon therefore


ust different ways understood deconstructed whatnot within jewish mystical tradition speak three three modes divine world relation great chain first one simple one 're saying 's 's emanation called mali 's 's light light much soothing persian 's almost really light 's 's uh essence energy flow life force whatever chi light far term count used light emanates divine uh metaphor um comes reality comes straight row goes back chain 's 's 's 's known literally 's 's straight light um 's 's one way 's sort means psychologically cognitively simple bottom god top continuum ascend jacob 's ladder next way 's 's also seen masculine 's phallic right oh right n't thought right right yeah yes next wave next way speak divine divine world interaction seen catalyst feminine 's circular uh means 's uh womb vaginal sense soviet 's 's divine surrounds um 's 's 's 's 's 's um typically described much actually penetrate world influences around creates cyclical arrangement means means top bottom become really points extremity along circle along along linear line 's things get extensively uh elaborated tablets describe really cosmogeny theology 's actually


aves us numbers every single step process allows us driving right direction hope find truth end equation 's example right mean 's lots reasons us one reasons peer review peer review make sure community experts somehow trained probability judgments right agree right alternative theories 're competition plausible ones confounds controlled plausible ones implications derived plausible ones 's whole point peer review perfect 's like democracy 's best system 's best system next rest 's nothing better replace peer review way acknowledging indispensability irremovability plausibility judgments scientific process want away one potential objection 's going could posed point 's good time ever objection think lot vogue purchase today sort pursuit truth correct inference data going fundamentally um constructed socioeconomic agendas political whatever going even relying something like plausibility peer review fundamentally flawed access truth regard 's sort 'm might strawman little n't know 's fine 's fine think 's think 's fair uh mean first point people berman 's work uh berman 's work burman b-e-r-m-a-n work uh uh platonism objects science basically argues science depends inferential generalization wo n't repeat argument depth basic idea take nominalist stance um 'll parts 's epistemological


begins point becomes line becomes plane comes 's sophisticated geometrical theological psychological language around circle relational means everything equally distant divine sense surrounding feminine fascinating begins deconstruct simple linear conception reality cosmos next step mystics take jewish mystics mystics really shatter whole thing pieces notion 's referred xm essence um mean means 's 's 's 's 's circle 's line 's integration circle line spiral 's one thing essence jude god islam thing existence therefore nothing non-essential 's nothing essential 's absolute complete deconstruction category right means top bottom become irrelevant longer top bottom 're speaking essence 's 's infinitesimal point everything nothing essence collapses whole system way 's longer possibility talking material world far divine becomes becomes um impossible fact way later mystics speak actually corporal reality see come reveal unrevealable essence god materiality nature language essence becomes becomes explosive dynamic theological philosophical metaphysical principle jewish mystical tradition think thing happens spoke last time


omething happens late stage buddhism think language inverse 's non-essence 're point essence non-essence know 're yeah 's response first point made catalyst constantly use three even speak essence 'll switch back speak straight line 'll speak round like right 'll switching metaphors based based need 's 's 's 's real fluidity flexibility 's like um point want make referring said dialogues yeah um 'll unless go point something want please please please go point one one one another another earth shattering let open window okay one second getting little toasty thank another another earth-shattering um metaphysical construct kabbalists develop really takes full development 16th century um galilee isaac luria kabulistic history much like jewish philosophy 's philosophy one kabbalah vlog 's cabal lauria um luria um based earlier thinkers um precedence zohar cardovara really brings 's full implications notion tsintsum notion become popular even outside circles jewish mysticism 've seen even self-help books notion tsum tsum god god thing exists um within god arises desire create desire relate desire manifest different languages used different thinkers must god create relate


reveal relationship god god um contracts god 's self 's literally seemed lit time contract god creates space illusion otherness space omnipresence god geographically existentially metaphysically absent presence nothing else god create space within god 's self 's thing 's space god know god 's self god sounds like 're regina lot ways yes uh much video recently arigina parallels capitalistic thought striking um 's mean jacob burma also another thinker yeah although 's historical actual connection influenced um god creates space within god 's self god know god 's self um 'm flipping like theological metaphysical psychological language 's really old point god create space dear logos space god re-enter space emerge something new begin reflect turn god 's face back also think new platonic idea nouns image god able turn back look god yeah news think party turns back looks yeah yes yes yes many ways catalyst really brutal thought part god created space able know god look back try glimmer mystery see um really 're looking place profoundest expression spit creation space dialogues kabbalistic literature becomes psychological programmatic lives


f create space others life allow come dialogue us fill full spaces room love relation create express yeah 's 's scheme han makes converging argument agony eros uh critique pornography uh says eros actually requires um true recognition otherness challenge way foresee finally protect whereas know pornography calls aesthetic smooth things regarded beautiful precisely way present challenge otherness way distract disturb self self-recognition self-grasping thought profound critique bring shows know uh think could make uh think han actually alluding 's ultimately making ontological point know scent time right uh right books know 's mean people might listening say cares arcane stuff point right n't explicit uh account uh realness 're much gon na implicit one 's gon na cash things like 're seeing han 's critique lost uh capacity genuine eros beauty uh precisely understand uh necessity uh uh otherness order proper self-transcendence property logos um etc wanted point leads another thing complaint oh want intervene go ahead let move another thing let let jump something said um 's one author mysticism 'm quest said read every really good thing 's read


's quite bit um one authors michelle de sartou 's french philosopher postmodern historian um work one work semesters opened 'm like reading many works systems understand field little opened 'm like hell saying read love belle mystique mean 'm still gon na go back encounter book like go back like five years later 'm like oh okay um makes uh sort aphoristic statement categorizes eastern mysticism western mysticism forgot 's east west said really caught guard said said said west 's mysticism one word necessity otherness mind 'm 'm thinking unity oneness non-dua says necessity otherness essence western mysticism time appalled sitting 'm like exactly point 's ontological existential necessity discover necessitates uh 's 's profound profound point thank saying 's 's 'd like wanted want uh want top 100 list uh books uh mean 've read quite 'm 'm interested reading auto book uh referred um know recommendations uh xevi would really appreciate pleasure two things uh 's 's said kabbalist thing amazing conversation genuine uh theories everything kurt moderator fantastic know moving debate deal logos bernardo excellent companion mean disagreed argued also interesting described metaphysics senses similar although uh n't sense norma


tive necessity idea reality ultimately one consciousness 's explicitly modest right think order explain theory sort something like psychological dissociation uh 's somehow within 's 's 's places n't know dissociates 'm sorry 'm trying misrepresent present view simplistically 'm sake time strikes 's interesting somebody think rightly regarded sort champion revival absolute idealism uh within philosophy mind within know know know theories mind general castrop basically proposing something remarkable similarities kabbalistic uh thing kabbalistic movement talking think 's 's interesting um want think 'm sorry want note 's 's something going find fascinating something like happens happens time 'll 'll 'll sort explaining something depths one tradition someone coming entirely like left field place would like yeah like 'm expanding exact metaphysic point nuance reading recently um randall starts 100 list unity mystical traditions get within capitalist tradition 's 2 300 year debate understand act tim tsum whether 's read figuratively literally nuances debate 'm reading start still thing emerging think like bond mysticism form like eastern mississippi exact debates discussed um whether understand form occultation concern divine process


f disassociation othering literally moves made people absolutely contact blows mind think 's logical necessity leads form questioning um yeah n't think anyone 's gon na uh sort ridicule ideas 's think 's fifth phd 's number n't know know know n't know know two two mentioned discussion uh 's 's always amazing see see sort entirely different unrelated fields conceptually historically exact preciseness nuance exact debates emerge points come keep pointing back like fundamental really logical whole structure mean brings another point um see things like note thank uh resonating um 's three responses although maybe 're one response different aspects one part cognitive scientist says wow whenever find something like like kind universals 're looking 're looking guts cognition 're looking fundamentals intelligibility 's another part uh especially 'm 4e cognitive scientist says yeah cognition n't head intelligibility real relationship cognition world must something world 's also fundamental must something fundamental way world cognition fit together 've trying articulate terms terms think convergent 've arguing one things 'm taking away um call divine call sacred sacred um n't think 's much hangs difference 's personal reasons divine tends connote p


ersonalities particular way right find sacred neutral term um basic claim know sacredness realness interdefining profound way think think 's fair say tried argue something similar awakening meeting crisis arguments going um know sacredness way getting coming relationship depth reality things like um tried map um something n't n't want sound promotional n't think least autobiographically true n't seen done much elsewhere 've seen seeds idea sense realness n't come single channel experience sense realness conviction beliefs sense realness power skills become one time another taken know proper name sacred right um uh 's also presence uh within prospective knowing ultimately sort fittedness belongingness uh togetherness participatory knowing although theoretically analytically cognitive want even want say cognitive existential phenomenology interwoven uh together um think 've got culture made us think everything reducible exists propositional 'm saying sense realness seems well maybe better metaphor 's multi-dimensional 's multi-dimensional 're pointing realness 're pointing found found uniquely conviction right power presence fittedness um reason phenomenological experiences existentialists particularly helpful realness uh realness undermined one


channels 's nevertheless profound um uh example presence know uh vr virtual reality research varies independent similar various similitude right realistic virtual world people n't feel 's real n't get sense presence uh 's important perspectival uh course get kinds weird derealizations uh know pathological participatory lost um uh know people think loved ones actually replaced robots um even though everything nothing else changed factually 's sense fittedness gets damaged brain 'll leave 's symptoms syndromes arm right like n't arm right looks exactly like arm move 's arm 's um course less pathological although necessarily less dangerous versions loneliness right culture shock um 's see sense realness disappearing participatory level perspectival level procedural level course know feel inept um think something like although conflated even like social awkwardness get right fee feel disempowered futile one ways making people feel existence becoming unreal 're procedurally inept actions futile course level know conviction coherence know right things n't hang together well people also undermining sense realness cognitive dissonances fascinating evidence sorry long thing 'm trying say right think agreement sacredness realness multi-dimensionality realness something 'm trying unpack terms


phenomenology functionality 'm wondering 'm sorry mostly metaphorical pose question mystical experience like something know space-time continuum four-dimensionalities realness disclosed person know 'm trying get uh though although analysis even experience know dimensions come apart fundamental fundamentally right n't make sense reality separate realities anything like right yes sorry clumsy 'm procedurally inept 'm trying get like 'm trying get 'm trying move cognitive science 'm trying reduce cognitive science okay clear 'm trying get like would mean cognitively like see different different call four ways knowing analytically experientially get pulled apart also see 's phenomenological functional continuum 'm wondering mystical experience might disclosure way 's independent arguments higher states consciousness 's question 's forming mind right yeah see 're gesturing towards questions 'll try gesture towards answer 's completely fair 's completely fair let 's let 's begin think think firstly question real important question um potentially important question um answer give individuals civilizations determining um everything flows um think things mentioned place historically know echoes things someone like hegel rational real someone like aristotle whether active